tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8189740927119210874.post3825362175266534807..comments2024-02-29T09:38:39.945-05:00Comments on deadthinking: 9/11/74 - as natural as breath or speech or thoughtUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8189740927119210874.post-91702346948420630582016-06-27T14:45:16.765-04:002016-06-27T14:45:16.765-04:00you can read much more about ned lagin, his music,...you can read much more about ned lagin, his music, and the grateful dead playing with him on the Nedbase blog <a href="http://nedbase.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://nedbase.blogspot.com/</a><br /><br />I-) ihor<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8189740927119210874.post-56939939958769296762015-10-12T19:57:50.076-04:002015-10-12T19:57:50.076-04:00So this was several months ago, but . . .
would ...So this was several months ago, but . . . <br /><br />would you say '74 is the first year where the drugs on the scene have an overall negative effect on the quality of the music for long enough that it's noticeable? <br /><br /><br /><br />I enjoy the blog, it offers food for thought. I for one would appreciate you posting more show recommendations.Freedom Haulhttp://liveandimprovised.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8189740927119210874.post-73213284724607609432015-06-19T10:18:21.729-04:002015-06-19T10:18:21.729-04:00Ha! "A poor Stockhausen imitation" -- s...Ha! "A poor Stockhausen imitation" -- so much for producing biophysical, electromagnetic, psychochemical reactions in a bunch of grumpy rock journalists. And Scully's book is where the burning story comes from (the actual pages are missing from google books, though), so a grain of salt for that one.<br /><br />Thanks for providing all the context. I like the similar 10/16/74 jam a lot and think it's another widely overlooked performance. It's been a while, though, and I see there's a matrix for that one as well, so maybe I'll have to give that one another spin soon.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11628132999021385676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8189740927119210874.post-63852383197985594042015-06-18T23:50:09.269-04:002015-06-18T23:50:09.269-04:00By the way, at least one London reviewer hated thi...By the way, at least one London reviewer hated this show! <br /><br />"Wednesday night with the Dead was the letdown of the year... [It was] a marathon as to how long the Dead would play, and unofficially a race to see how many people would fall asleep... During the first set, the Dead went very slowly through [their] songs... <br />Despite the presence of numerous parachutes hung from the cathedral ceiling to try to help the sound system, it kept blowing the music back into the band's face. This, along with the fact that a ritual group of ten insisted on standing up in the front of the hall lethargically swaying and blocking most everyone's view, didn't make things any better. <br />By the second set, all the smart journalists had adjourned to the press bar... The second set started out sounding like a bad sound check. Or a poor Stockhausen imitation. The electronic music had the overall sound of one of those "Monster arising from the Swamp" movies. After an hour of watching the Dead's sound equipment (as the stage was blacked out so that one could not see the group) and listening to the hundredth variation on the Goola monster theme, we headed for the door along with dozens of others migraine-struck humans... What was good was not done; and what was done wasn't good." <br />(Sounds, 9/21/74) Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8189740927119210874.post-15431261313814124982015-06-18T23:44:32.959-04:002015-06-18T23:44:32.959-04:00Ned Lagin & Richard Loren (a Dead manager) als...Ned Lagin & Richard Loren (a Dead manager) also say that everyone agreed to get rid of their coke stashes at the London shows (admittedly without the detail of burning it all onstage!). <br />Loren writes: "The band and crew had already been doing a lot of nonstop, hard partying and were burned out. It was hard to ignore how out of control the situation had become. Rex Jackson, a longtime and respected crew member, came down hard on the group, railing about the cocaine madness and challenging the group to toss their drug stashes and get it together. Bob Weir backed Rex, and others voiced concern. No one disagreed, but...in the end, usage just became more secretive." <br />Lagin said: "By the time we got to London, everyone was clearly doing too many drugs. We had a meeting with everybody who was on the road with the band. We agreed that everything was fucked up; to be blunt, cocaine was a problem. We all agreed to flush our stashes - which we all dutifully did."<br /><br />Lagin also mentions that some members of Pink Floyd were watching the show that night. Don't know what they thought... <br />(As an aside, most of the Dead (except for Garcia) had gone to see one of Pink Floyd's Dark Side shows in New York in March '73, but left halfway through the show!) <br />The Dead were also very unhappy with how the first two London shows had gone, so I think they were trying to be more adventurous even aside from 9/11/74 being an LSD night.<br /><br />I wonder how you'd compare this to the 10/16/74 Lagin set? Extremely similar to this one - Seastones>Wharf Rat>space>Eyes. (That set was also not included on the 5-CD Winterland release! But it's also quite spacy.) <br /><br />For that matter, there are just a few occasions where the whole band joined Lagin in an extended post-Seastones jam. 9/21/74 Paris was another, a fascinating journey into an unusual Playing. My own favorite may be 10/18/74, the Seastones>Dark Star with a very heavy feel.<br /><br />Garcia alluded to these Lagin sets in an interview after the tour: "When we went to Europe this last time we got into some new directions in improvisation which have been the opening of new, fertile ground." But they didn't pursue this direction past 1975... Weir probably felt that these types of spaces were just too weird for their audiences to follow, and Garcia worried about that as well.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.com